WAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT ABORTION???????

Come and share wif me ure idea about abortion..u are all welcome kee..

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Permalink Reply by Teeta Kairo on July 23, 2010 at 8:29pm

Mauri Christiano

Life in the womb is different to that of life that we are living in at this moment. I don’t know much about the process of pregnancy but I do believe that taking a life in the womb is different to taking a life in the real world we living in and are aware of. Getting an abortion involves a lot of thinking and decisions and guilt with it, murderers don’t think or make decisions before they kill their victims. So don’t confuse murder with abortion.

Murder is a “Grave sin”, I hate religious people who think they can get away with calling others sinners. Your opinion is that anybody who supports and choose to have abortions are sinners because abortion is murder. Well there is no perfect person out there in the world that doesn’t commit a sin or sins every day, everybody commits a sin!

“Everyone has the right to Life including those who are unborn” I agree with the first bit except the unborn bit. But I also believe that everybody has the right to make any decisions concerning their body and the life they are carrying with them. Nobody is entitled to make others feel that what they have done (which is considered humane and legal) is wrong and that they are bad people. I believe people have every rights to judge and express their opinions but I don’t believe that it is right of them to enforce their opinions e.g abortion is wrong.

I don’t think anybody knows what god thinks of Abortion because nobody can have any direct conversation with him, or know how God’s mind and thinking works. So don’t tell me that God thinks abortion is wrong because you don’t know how God thinks.

God doesn’t decide our destiny or our decisions, we do!

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Permalink Reply by Sei Paul on July 26, 2010 at 12:24pm

It appears you have taken the topic so seriously I too would agree with all your point till a friend of mine called me one day and ask me for my advice.

My wife is four month pregnant, its a boy and it going to be our first baby,, but... there is a bit of complication..my wife was also diagnosed with a very rare disease thats going to cost the life of my wife or son..My friend what sholud I do? the doctors said that the only way to save my wifes life is to opt for an abortion.

Big dilemma ???? dont opt for abortion becasue is an act of murder as some would say ..it means have your baby and let your wife die or go ahead with an abortion and save your wifes life..

I m still puzzled with an answer but please do kindly share your thought..what would be your best advice...

Christiano said:

Mauri Sei Bauro. Let allow me to share some insight with you.

You are talking on the case of "Dilemma." Hope you understand that word. When the two cases are weighing so serious to both the Life of a Mother and the unborn Child.

Unfortunately, your case is complicated but easy to answer. The answer is very simple: "The means cannot be justified by the End!! ...hope you understand that Principle. Therefore, You cannot justified the Life of Both (Mother and Child) by Abortion. Abortion is not the right action to save them. So, How can we save them? We kill one and save the other? what is your answer Sei? If you are an unborn Child, do you have a voice to stand up and say, "I have the right to Life?" Could you? Lucky you are now can speak for your own life. Know what, Life is a wonderful gift. I couldn't imagine how God created me. While other are suggesting to destroy it. I don't even know how I was formed like other human beings. Lucky you and me!! Why don't we stand for the Right to Life and save lives.

Sei Bauro said:
Bro I agree with you on that saying that we should have a clear fine line of defining abprtion as an act of murder..for in its self it can be life saving to the mum..today latest technonlogy can easily detect early danger signs of conceiving even calaculte the estimated risk..if the risk outweight the benefit Mothers were advised to abort their babies...nice

thats is define as a therapeutic abortion, So yep its complex term and it can be wrong depending on what angle one views it ,,my opinion is abortion is not always a bad thing..

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Permalink Reply by ◕‿◕uǝɹɹǝ◕‿◕ on July 26, 2010 at 3:16pm

A rangin eti taian maroro i aon te topic aio ao au kantaninga ba e bon nakoira n tatabemanira nako ke..ma te kauring ba tina riai n ataia ba iai taian baai aika a kona n buokira n aron totokoan waki aikanne. N aron te ..iango imain reken te kanganga..ao kabonganakin taian baai aika ana katoka te kanganga anne ba e naki riki.. E raba te maroro i aon aio ao tekeraoi naba te tia uota te maroro aio.

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Permalink Reply by Teeta Kairo on July 27, 2010 at 12:12am

Bon te kamauri naba nakoim ten Christiano

Let me enlighten you for a bit okay.

First of all I’m not an Atheist or Religious person. I don’t have any respect for Atheism or Theism (religion) because it’s a waste of time and everybody is just fighting and arguing about whether god is real or fake. I honestly don’t give a dam whose right and whose wrong.
Ok let’s go back to “Is abortion right or wrong?”, obviously we both have different opinions on this topic. I believe everybody should be open minded about Abortion, we should not judge those who choose to have an abortion or those who support it. I also believe murder and abortion are not the same thing, abortion has a lot of thinking involved with it. It can benefit people e.g mothers who are at risk of dying unless they abort the baby, poor people who can’t afford to raise their unborn child. Like I mentioned before in my other replies that if poorer countries in places like Asia, Africa and even the pacific encouraged Abortion. They wouldn’t have any problems with the increasing population and poverty.

If the Christian God was so loving and pro-life then why does he send those who have done wrong to hell to perish for eternity? I thought your Christian God was forgiving and loving to all of his children???

Jesus Christ??? How do we know Jesus Christ ever existed? I’m doing classics and History in High School and there is no mention about Jesus Christ, only Julius Caesar, Homer and other key figures of the ancient times. My teachers told me that the reason why we don’t study the life of Jesus Christ is because there is little evidence to suggest that he ever existed.

Bible.
Lols you said that the bible was written by human hands, well no wonder there’s so much contradiction in it. The Bible talks about how we should live in harmony and not discriminate others but then you have a section of the bible, where it condemns people who are different e.g Homosexuals. Is the bible actually the words from God? Or is it just written and created by human minds and hands?

Tao bon ti anne moa mai irou kee. Hope I haven’t offended you much.

Christiano said:

mauri riki ngkoe Teeta

I think you are gone to far without moral principle. I'm not talking only on Regious Truth I also talks on Moral Principle that touches the whole of humanity. You are sound like an Atheist. Yes, now you are not also think about the Moral Principles. What is more important is the "Life" in you. How you meditate that gift of Life in You. Who do you think that gives you that Life. Remember human beings already know the mind and the Heart of God, in the form of his Son as Christian says. I speaks the truth about what God thinks about humanity. If we don't know what God's will then we are in Chaos of darkness. Do you think the Bible fell from the sky? hel no!! It is human hands that wrote that, and they know what God thinks.

Now I advice you, that it is better to "CONSTRUCT LIFE" than "DESTRUCT LIFE." Life is more precious than gold and silver. It is precious than anything you can find in this world. You are blessed because you have life. If you don't like it, well, I think you are in the dark forces of death.

I don't condem those who commit abortion but I rather advice them the best I can. God is the Supreme Judge of Life. Just wait for your turn when God judges you and me.

Blessed be God
Father, Son and the Holy Spirit....Amen

Teeta Kairo said:
Mauri Christiano

Life in the womb is different to that of life that we are living in at this moment. I don’t know much about the process of pregnancy but I do believe that taking a life in the womb is different to taking a life in the real world we living in and are aware of. Getting an abortion involves a lot of thinking and decisions and guilt with it, murderers don’t think or make decisions before they kill their victims. So don’t confuse murder with abortion.

Murder is a “Grave sin”, I hate religious people who think they can get away with calling others sinners. Your opinion is that anybody who supports and choose to have abortions are sinners because abortion is murder. Well there is no perfect person out there in the world that doesn’t commit a sin or sins every day, everybody commits a sin!

“Everyone has the right to Life including those who are unborn” I agree with the first bit except the unborn bit. But I also believe that everybody has the right to make any decisions concerning their body and the life they are carrying with them. Nobody is entitled to make others feel that what they have done (which is considered humane and legal) is wrong and that they are bad people. I believe people have every rights to judge and express their opinions but I don’t believe that it is right of them to enforce their opinions e.g abortion is wrong.

I don’t think anybody knows what god thinks of Abortion because nobody can have any direct conversation with him, or know how God’s mind and thinking works. So don’t tell me that God thinks abortion is wrong because you don’t know how God thinks.

God doesn’t decide our destiny or our decisions, we do!

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Permalink Reply by Mr & Mr & Mrs Molu on July 27, 2010 at 7:15pm

ABORTION...ummmhh i think (my own opinion) it should be illegal and of-course its a sin, VERY BIG SIN...by the way whose choice is it, not totally the choice of the undeveloped unborn being..a girl/women make a choice of fulfilling her sexual desires using nothing for protection (condoms, pills etc) resulting in pregnancy..it will be a total STUPIDITY if one to say that abortion should be legal because it's better off for the baby to died knowing the real world rather than suffering once born.
PLEASE don't say some women were uneducated and that's why they don't use protection..we ALL went through education process from young age, even if you didn't make it to higher level, still you went to school - early age...but more importantly our parent taught us about life and unforbidden sex?? even our religion, YET some people agree to abortion (i'm refering to us Islanders, not the aliens).
Think again before having unprotected sex!! also keep in mind that there are 1000s of parents in the world who can't get childrens and are looking to adopt, i for one have an adopted kid who i'm so proud of & brought happiness to me & my wife's life, & thanks God for that.

THOSE ARE MY VIEWS ON THE TOPIC

Great day every1

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Permalink Reply by Mr & Mr & Mrs Molu on July 27, 2010 at 7:22pm

by the way are we talking here refering to the PI esp. Kiribati or are we talking here abortion world wide..It will be hard if you are refering to ABORTION GLOBALLY, as our islands beliefs & values are totally diff. for others in the world which make it hard for people to argue to your point.

Thanks

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Permalink Reply by Mr & Mr & Mrs Molu on July 27, 2010 at 7:29pm

Scientifically thinking yes sis....how about culturally (beliefs & values) & religion, we kind of diserting ourselfs from our roots.

Again i still think its murder, the unborn or undeveloped baby (or whatever you call it) have no decision on his/her making, its the stupid mother who do that thinking, and later decided to murder (abort) the new life in her.

My opinion it is

gud day

Sei Bauro said:

Bro I agree with you on that saying that we should have a clear fine line of defining abprtion as an act of murder..for in its self it can be life saving to the mum..today latest technonlogy can easily detect early danger signs of conceiving even calaculte the estimated risk..if the risk outweight the benefit Mothers were advised to abort their babies...nice

thats is define as a therapeutic abortion, So yep its complex term and it can be wrong depending on what angle one views it ,,my opinion is abortion is not always a bad thing..

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Permalink Reply by Sei Paul on July 30, 2010 at 9:25am

hey i soo against the idea of having abortion...i guess Bauro was talking from a medical point of view...but i still believe it is wrong....we dont use the word kill in the hospital but yes it is complex when it comes to a life saving situation...we face many ethical dillema at work..guidelines and procedures are our only guides....that is where we should respect whatever decision that is made between the doctors and parents....we cannot really say anything about it....the options will be explained as parents have the rights to such information....
but yes i agree that it is wrong if the mother is trying herself to get rid of her baby....that is a murder situation....it is very sad to see/learn that someone is tryna grow stronger in mum's tummy nd mum herself tryina do something in order to get rid of the baby....that is killing....it is a crime... in a hospital situation i dont think it is appropriate to say dat a doctor will decide to murder someone and give life to the other...its about life saving.... there are good articles onthe internet to explain the meaning of the word abortion in a hospital setting....abortion can be misscarriage....but like what bauro said there are many types of abortions...in other words there are many causes of misscarriages...etc..@ Bauro ....i wouldnt use the word nice in this kinda situation.....cheers
Mr & Mr & Mrs Molu said:

Scientifically thinking yes sis....how about culturally (beliefs & values) & religion, we kind of diserting ourselfs from our roots.

Again i still think its murder, the unborn or undeveloped baby (or whatever you call it) have no decision on his/her making, its the stupid mother who do that thinking, and later decided to murder (abort) the new life in her.

My opinion it is

gud day

Sei Bauro said:
Bro I agree with you on that saying that we should have a clear fine line of defining abprtion as an act of murder..for in its self it can be life saving to the mum..today latest technonlogy can easily detect early danger signs of conceiving even calaculte the estimated risk..if the risk outweight the benefit Mothers were advised to abort their babies...nice

thats is define as a therapeutic abortion, So yep its complex term and it can be wrong depending on what angle one views it ,,my opinion is abortion is not always a bad thing..

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Permalink Reply by Sei Paul on July 30, 2010 at 9:30am

good question....

Mr & Mr & Mrs Molu said:

by the way are we talking here refering to the PI esp. Kiribati or are we talking here abortion world wide..It will be hard if you are refering to ABORTION GLOBALLY, as our islands beliefs & values are totally diff. for others in the world which make it hard for people to argue to your point.

Thanks

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Permalink Reply by Sei Paul on July 30, 2010 at 8:59pm

It appears you have taken the topic so seriously I too would agree with all your point till a friend of mine called me one day and ask me for my advice.

My wife is four month pregnant, its a boy and it going to be our first baby,, but... there is a bit of complication..my wife was also diagnosed with a very rare disease thats going to cost the life of my wife or son..My friend what sholud I do? the doctors said that the only way to save my wifes life is to opt for an abortion.

Big dilemma ???? dont opt for abortion becasue is an act of murder as some would say ..it means have your baby and let your wife die or go ahead with an abortion and save your wifes life..

I m still puzzled with an answer but please do kindly share your thought..what would be your best advice...

Christiano said:
Mauri Sei Bauro. Let allow me to share some insight with you.

You are talking on the case of "Dilemma." Hope you understand that word. When the two cases are weighing so serious to both the Life of a Mother and the unborn Child.

Unfortunately, your case is complicated but easy to answer. The answer is very simple: "The means cannot be justified by the End!! ...hope you understand that Principle. Therefore, You cannot justified the Life of Both (Mother and Child) by Abortion. Abortion is not the right action to save them. So, How can we save them? We kill one and save the other? what is your answer Sei? If you are an unborn Child, do you have a voice to stand up and say, "I have the right to Life?" Could you? Lucky you are now can speak for your own life. Know what, Life is a wonderful gift. I couldn't imagine how God created me. While other are suggesting to destroy it. I don't even know how I was formed like other human beings. Lucky you and me!! Why don't we stand for the Right to Life and save lives.

Sei Bauro said:
Bro I agree with you on that saying that we should have a clear fine line of defining abprtion as an act of murder..for in its self it can be life saving to the mum..today latest technonlogy can easily detect early danger signs of conceiving even calaculte the estimated risk..if the risk outweight the benefit Mothers were advised to abort their babies...nice

thats is define as a therapeutic abortion, So yep its complex term and it can be wrong depending on what angle one views it ,,my opinion is abortion is not always a bad thing..

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Permalink Reply by Teeta Kairo on July 31, 2010 at 4:49am

mauri

Im sorry if my comments were a bit harsh in my other comments, i meant no disrespect towards your beliefs. We are human beings and we're all entitled to what we want to believe and how we look at life.

I'm 18 and at the moment my beliefs in God is at a Agnostic perspective, I don't dismiss Gods existence because i feel nobody on this planet can. Atheists and Theist (religious people) can't prove or disprove Gods existence. Atheist believe in Logic and Reason and Theist believe in Faith.

Going back to abortion. well we can't really prove anything can we now. you think abortion is wrong and i think abortion is right so its useless for us to debate something that both of us have different opinions on. I don't judge you for it and all i ask is that you don't judge me for my opinions. Its up to individuals to decide.

erabwa te chat and tekeraoi am waaki.

Christiano said:

Mauri riki ngkoe Teeta,

I think you don't need help anymore to know the truth about God. You don't know him because you don't believe. It seems you relying only on living and enjoying your life here and now. That's good. I respect your choice. But I will tell one wise words from Blaise Pascal regarding the "Wager Argument" says, "It is better to believe that there is God than not to believe." Why? because we will all die and everyone are treated the same at the moment of death. What matter is that what is the use of living a life here on earth? Do we live and die for nothing? I believe before you die you will run for life again. I mean, there will be a fear in you when you face death. The sad thing in your comment is that you reject the most important person of your life, God. I respect that.
anyway, we go back to abortion. It is clear that it doesn't matter if you are a believer or not. I am a Christian and I don't really reinforce my Christian faith only but Moral Principles also. I am not a woman whom receives this condemnation if she chooses to abort her child. I apologies for those who are commited abortion because of certain confusion in themselves. But Abortion is not always the answer. I don't believe in what you are arguing regarding Overpopulation, poverty that can cause abortion. Even cases on the lives of a mother and an unborn Child, there is no way to make abortion as the final answer for solution. I don't believe in all of them. I believe in POSSIBILITIES!!! I am not a medical doctor or an expert on pregnancy but I am more interesting in saving lives, Body and Soul. I am loyal to the truth about life because that is what I got from the beginning.
Concerning cases like the life of a mother, it is not clear whether you are talking on cancer of the uterus or whatever inside the womb but what I see that there is a lack of awareness of possibilities.
Those who cannot afford medical treatment, money is the big problem. Why? no money and no proper treatment. It is very true, but who would do the abortion? If a woman cannot afford her medication she will end up aborting the Child. Yes, it is true. But remember the consequence of abortion is also affecting the life of a mother. So I encourage not abortion but finding possiblities. We don't worry about those who are in India for they have their own beliefs and principles. I am worrying about the truth that one day it will be wiped away from the mind and heart of future generation. And if you are contributing to this I think you are bringing so much darkness in this life.

sorry if my words are hurting you.

Teeta Kairo said:
Bon te kamauri naba nakoim ten Christiano

Let me enlighten you for a bit okay.

First of all I’m not an Atheist or Religious person. I don’t have any respect for Atheism or Theism (religion) because it’s a waste of time and everybody is just fighting and arguing about whether god is real or fake. I honestly don’t give a dam whose right and whose wrong.
Ok let’s go back to “Is abortion right or wrong?”, obviously we both have different opinions on this topic. I believe everybody should be open minded about Abortion, we should not judge those who choose to have an abortion or those who support it. I also believe murder and abortion are not the same thing, abortion has a lot of thinking involved with it. It can benefit people e.g mothers who are at risk of dying unless they abort the baby, poor people who can’t afford to raise their unborn child. Like I mentioned before in my other replies that if poorer countries in places like Asia, Africa and even the pacific encouraged Abortion. They wouldn’t have any problems with the increasing population and poverty.

If the Christian God was so loving and pro-life then why does he send those who have done wrong to hell to perish for eternity? I thought your Christian God was forgiving and loving to all of his children???

Jesus Christ??? How do we know Jesus Christ ever existed? I’m doing classics and History in High School and there is no mention about Jesus Christ, only Julius Caesar, Homer and other key figures of the ancient times. My teachers told me that the reason why we don’t study the life of Jesus Christ is because there is little evidence to suggest that he ever existed.

Bible.
Lols you said that the bible was written by human hands, well no wonder there’s so much contradiction in it. The Bible talks about how we should live in harmony and not discriminate others but then you have a section of the bible, where it condemns people who are different e.g Homosexuals. Is the bible actually the words from God? Or is it just written and created by human minds and hands?

Tao bon ti anne moa mai irou kee. Hope I haven’t offended you much.

Christiano said:
mauri riki ngkoe Teeta

I think you are gone to far without moral principle. I'm not talking only on Regious Truth I also talks on Moral Principle that touches the whole of humanity. You are sound like an Atheist. Yes, now you are not also think about the Moral Principles. What is more important is the "Life" in you. How you meditate that gift of Life in You. Who do you think that gives you that Life. Remember human beings already know the mind and the Heart of God, in the form of his Son as Christian says. I speaks the truth about what God thinks about humanity. If we don't know what God's will then we are in Chaos of darkness. Do you think the Bible fell from the sky? hel no!! It is human hands that wrote that, and they know what God thinks.

Now I advice you, that it is better to "CONSTRUCT LIFE" than "DESTRUCT LIFE." Life is more precious than gold and silver. It is precious than anything you can find in this world. You are blessed because you have life. If you don't like it, well, I think you are in the dark forces of death.

I don't condem those who commit abortion but I rather advice them the best I can. God is the Supreme Judge of Life. Just wait for your turn when God judges you and me.

Blessed be God
Father, Son and the Holy Spirit....Amen

Teeta Kairo said:
Mauri Christiano

Life in the womb is different to that of life that we are living in at this moment. I don’t know much about the process of pregnancy but I do believe that taking a life in the womb is different to taking a life in the real world we living in and are aware of. Getting an abortion involves a lot of thinking and decisions and guilt with it, murderers don’t think or make decisions before they kill their victims. So don’t confuse murder with abortion.

Murder is a “Grave sin”, I hate religious people who think they can get away with calling others sinners. Your opinion is that anybody who supports and choose to have abortions are sinners because abortion is murder. Well there is no perfect person out there in the world that doesn’t commit a sin or sins every day, everybody commits a sin!

“Everyone has the right to Life including those who are unborn” I agree with the first bit except the unborn bit. But I also believe that everybody has the right to make any decisions concerning their body and the life they are carrying with them. Nobody is entitled to make others feel that what they have done (which is considered humane and legal) is wrong and that they are bad people. I believe people have every rights to judge and express their opinions but I don’t believe that it is right of them to enforce their opinions e.g abortion is wrong.

I don’t think anybody knows what god thinks of Abortion because nobody can have any direct conversation with him, or know how God’s mind and thinking works. So don’t tell me that God thinks abortion is wrong because you don’t know how God thinks.

God doesn’t decide our destiny or our decisions, we do!

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Permalink Reply by Crusader09 on August 4, 2010 at 11:00pm

Mauri riki gkami kee..

Kai e rag n rarabwa te maro2 iaon te kaoti aio....ao iatia ni kunea bwa iai aika a boutaaka te abortion for a purpose kee...ao iai nba aika a totokoia kee..ma are ieta gkami ni kabane n ami maro2 ao are ea bon tiku te aomata ma ana koaua ao ana iango iaona keee..

Ngkanne ia maga kawenea nba au kan mata2 iaon are gkana ea ikawai riki te aomata kee...i mean maybe 7 years of more kee...We all know tat EUTHANASIA is the killing of person either on request of a particular purpose kee...ao anne ti kona nba n aranna bwa bon te bure kee...ma agiin western countries a noora anne bwa e tamaroa ian bukina aika a kakaokoro kee...

Nna karaki teutana keee...

Iai taanga aika a riin te onaoraki kee..bwa e rag n aoraki teuare temwaane..ao gkee eatia te tutuo iaona ao gaia ea reke raoi aorakina bwa"brain dead" kee..are nanona ea mate kaburorona kee..ao gkanne neiere te aine arei ea rag n rawa n aorakin buuna arei ao ea tia ana iango bwa ena tuagia taokita bwa e nag tirigaki kee.ao gaia are te moan kawai ae a karaoia taokita bwa a kanakoi moa mwiin taian iiti ma raan ake a nim i rabwatan teuarei kee..ma i bukin teimatoan maru2ngina ao eaki roko n te kan rotaki nba maeuna teuana kee..neiere te aine e a rag n nanoaga riki buuna arei gaia are ea maga tuagia tokita bwa a nag itinna keee..bwa ea tikiraoi rik gkana e mate nakon ae e nag bon wewene nba n arona arei kee...ai gaia are ea itinaki ao ni mate nba ikanne

Au titiraki gkanne bwa te mwakuri are e karaoaki arei

"Is that a love or a murder????"
E a bon nakoim aron iagoana kee..bwa e kaga ..ia maga ogora iroumi