WAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT ABORTION???????
Come and share wif me ure idea about abortion..u are all welcome kee..
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Permalink Reply by Kyrios - In Corde Jesu on -
Mauri ngkoe Teeta, you are saying "Abortion is not wrong, or seeing it as a murder or sin." could you please allow me to tell you something. People who are committed abortion are considered as Murderers. why?
1) the life begins at the moment of conception. No matter what action is taken place at the moment of sexual intercourse once the embryo is developed, nobody knows who set the development process. Life has begun from that moment. therefore once you take that life you committed a grave sin already. You committed murder already too. It's not about the embryo, it's about the Life of the Embryo. That life is the same life that you have now!!!
2) Remember that people need to be educated on Moral Principles. First of all the Right to Life. Everyone has the right to life including those who are unborn. Our Freedom is limited. We don't have the freedom to destroy life, but we have the freedom to Choose - either good or bad.
3) Ask God in your own time. Ask him the question, "Is abortion morally right or wrong?" straight away, he'll say to you, "Life is Mine!!" Creation is Mine" Everything is Mine." When you were born, you have nothing, but only a naked body from the womb and dust in the Tomb!!" Yours is nothing but Sin." So why don't we talk about Life." Life that I want to share with you." I gave you life at the moment of Conception because I chose you to have life. But now if want to choose your own to destroy life, ok, go ahead. And remember the life that I give to everyone is the gift from my Heart."
It is truly prophetic and you will find it, not just a fact but truth.
Teeta Kairo said:"why pregnant in the first place?" well people these days tend to ignore the fact that if you have unprotected sex then something might happen. e.g Pregnancy. People should not deny other peoples rights to do whatever they want.
God gave us the freedom to create our own destiny and purposes. I don't see abortion as murder or wrong or a sin.
m.itinikua said:well its very wrong, "why pregnant in the first place?" you should ask yourself that question before its happening to UUU!!!
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Permalink Reply by Kyrios - In Corde Jesu on
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Mauri Sei Bauro. Let allow me to share some insight with you.
You are talking on the case of "Dilemma." Hope you understand that word. When the two cases are weighing so serious to both the Life of a Mother and the unborn Child.
Unfortunately, your case is complicated but easy to answer. The answer is very simple: "The means cannot be justified by the End!! ...hope you understand that Principle. Therefore, You cannot justified the Life of Both (Mother and Child) by Abortion. Abortion is not the right action to save them. So, How can we save them? We kill one and save the other? what is your answer Sei? If you are an unborn Child, do you have a voice to stand up and say, "I have the right to Life?" Could you? Lucky you are now can speak for your own life. Know what, Life is a wonderful gift. I couldn't imagine how God created me. While other are suggesting to destroy it. I don't even know how I was formed like other human beings. Lucky you and me!! Why don't we stand for the Right to Life and save lives.
Sei Bauro said:Bro I agree with you on that saying that we should have a clear fine line of defining abprtion as an act of murder..for in its self it can be life saving to the mum..today latest technonlogy can easily detect early danger signs of conceiving even calaculte the estimated risk..if the risk outweight the benefit Mothers were advised to abort their babies...nice
thats is define as a therapeutic abortion, So yep its complex term and it can be wrong depending on what angle one views it ,,my opinion is abortion is not always a bad thing..
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Permalink Reply by Kyrios - In Corde Jesu on
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Mauri ngkoe Teeta, you are saying "Abortion is not wrong, or seeing it as a murder or sin." could you please allow me to tell you something. People who are committed abortion are considered as Murderers. why?
1) the life begins at the moment of conception. No matter what action is taken place at the moment of sexual intercourse once the embryo is developed, nobody knows who set the development process. Life has begun from that moment. therefore once you take that life you committed a grave sin already. You committed murder already too. It's not about the embryo, it's about the Life of the Embryo. That life is the same life that you have now!!!
2) Remember that people need to be educated on Moral Principles. First of all the Right to Life. Everyone has the right to life including those who are unborn. Our Freedom is limited. We don't have the freedom to destroy life, but we have the freedom to Choose - either good or bad.
3) Ask God in your own time. Ask him the question, "Is abortion morally right or wrong?" straight away, he'll say to you, "Life is Mine!!" Creation is Mine" Everything is Mine." When you were born, you have nothing, but only a naked body from the womb and dust in the Tomb!!" Yours is nothing but Sin." So why don't we talk about Life." Life that I want to share with you." I gave you life at the moment of Conception because I chose you to have life. But now if want to choose your own to destroy life, ok, go ahead. And remember the life that I give to everyone is the gift from my Heart."
It is truly prophetic and you will find it, not just a fact but truth.
Teeta Kairo said:"why pregnant in the first place?" well people these days tend to ignore the fact that if you have unprotected sex then something might happen. e.g Pregnancy. People should not deny other peoples rights to do whatever they want.
God gave us the freedom to create our own destiny and purposes. I don't see abortion as murder or wrong or a sin.
m.itinikua said:well its very wrong, "why pregnant in the first place?" you should ask yourself that question before its happening to UUU!!!
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Permalink Reply by Kyrios - In Corde Jesu on
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Bro, akea a e kona ni manga kunea ke ni karika riki te definition of Abortion. The definition of Abortion is "taking the life of an unborn Child." ko aki kona ni manga create te definition irarikin anne. te aomata ae e kakan smart n create ke ni ibita nanona, ea bon kaotia ba e burababa...
Kurt Schutz said:Abortion can be Wrong or Good depending on the Definition of Murder....etc.
If abortion amounts to Murder then its bad, if its not Murder then we are free to do as we wish.. The important thing is to have a credible frame of reference(which Im not sure we have at this point). Antai ae ena decide bwa te abortion if good or bad?? this is an interesting question..
I taku bwa e riai ni kakaeaki raoi bwa tera te standard ae na kabonganaaki when deciding whether abortion is bad or good..
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Permalink Reply by Teeta Kairo on -
Mauri Christiano
Life in the womb is different to that of life that we are living in at this moment. I don’t know much about the process of pregnancy but I do believe that taking a life in the womb is different to taking a life in the real world we living in and are aware of. Getting an abortion involves a lot of thinking and decisions and guilt with it, murderers don’t think or make decisions before they kill their victims. So don’t confuse murder with abortion.
Murder is a “Grave sin”, I hate religious people who think they can get away with calling others sinners. Your opinion is that anybody who supports and choose to have abortions are sinners because abortion is murder. Well there is no perfect person out there in the world that doesn’t commit a sin or sins every day, everybody commits a sin!
“Everyone has the right to Life including those who are unborn” I agree with the first bit except the unborn bit. But I also believe that everybody has the right to make any decisions concerning their body and the life they are carrying with them. Nobody is entitled to make others feel that what they have done (which is considered humane and legal) is wrong and that they are bad people. I believe people have every rights to judge and express their opinions but I don’t believe that it is right of them to enforce their opinions e.g abortion is wrong.
I don’t think anybody knows what god thinks of Abortion because nobody can have any direct conversation with him, or know how God’s mind and thinking works. So don’t tell me that God thinks abortion is wrong because you don’t know how God thinks.
God doesn’t decide our destiny or our decisions, we do!
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Permalink Reply by Kyrios - In Corde Jesu on
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mauri riki ngkoe Teeta
I think you are gone to far without moral principle. I'm not talking only on Regious Truth I also talks on Moral Principle that touches the whole of humanity. You are sound like an Atheist. Yes, now you are not also think about the Moral Principles. What is more important is the "Life" in you. How you meditate that gift of Life in You. Who do you think that gives you that Life. Remember human beings already know the mind and the Heart of God, in the form of his Son as Christian says. I speaks the truth about what God thinks about humanity. If we don't know what God's will then we are in Chaos of darkness. Do you think the Bible fell from the sky? hel no!! It is human hands that wrote that, and they know what God thinks.
Now I advice you, that it is better to "CONSTRUCT LIFE" than "DESTRUCT LIFE." Life is more precious than gold and silver. It is precious than anything you can find in this world. You are blessed because you have life. If you don't like it, well, I think you are in the dark forces of death.
I don't condem those who commit abortion but I rather advice them the best I can. God is the Supreme Judge of Life. Just wait for your turn when God judges you and me.
Blessed be God
Father, Son and the Holy Spirit....Amen
Teeta Kairo said:Mauri Christiano
Life in the womb is different to that of life that we are living in at this moment. I don’t know much about the process of pregnancy but I do believe that taking a life in the womb is different to taking a life in the real world we living in and are aware of. Getting an abortion involves a lot of thinking and decisions and guilt with it, murderers don’t think or make decisions before they kill their victims. So don’t confuse murder with abortion.
Murder is a “Grave sin”, I hate religious people who think they can get away with calling others sinners. Your opinion is that anybody who supports and choose to have abortions are sinners because abortion is murder. Well there is no perfect person out there in the world that doesn’t commit a sin or sins every day, everybody commits a sin!
“Everyone has the right to Life including those who are unborn” I agree with the first bit except the unborn bit. But I also believe that everybody has the right to make any decisions concerning their body and the life they are carrying with them. Nobody is entitled to make others feel that what they have done (which is considered humane and legal) is wrong and that they are bad people. I believe people have every rights to judge and express their opinions but I don’t believe that it is right of them to enforce their opinions e.g abortion is wrong.
I don’t think anybody knows what god thinks of Abortion because nobody can have any direct conversation with him, or know how God’s mind and thinking works. So don’t tell me that God thinks abortion is wrong because you don’t know how God thinks.
God doesn’t decide our destiny or our decisions, we do!
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Permalink Reply by Sei Paul on -
It appears you have taken the topic so seriously I too would agree with all your point till a friend of mine called me one day and ask me for my advice.
My wife is four month pregnant, its a boy and it going to be our first baby,, but... there is a bit of complication..my wife was also diagnosed with a very rare disease thats going to cost the life of my wife or son..My friend what sholud I do? the doctors said that the only way to save my wifes life is to opt for an abortion.
Big dilemma ???? dont opt for abortion becasue is an act of murder as some would say ..it means have your baby and let your wife die or go ahead with an abortion and save your wifes life..
I m still puzzled with an answer but please do kindly share your thought..what would be your best advice...
Christiano said:Mauri Sei Bauro. Let allow me to share some insight with you.
You are talking on the case of "Dilemma." Hope you understand that word. When the two cases are weighing so serious to both the Life of a Mother and the unborn Child.
Unfortunately, your case is complicated but easy to answer. The answer is very simple: "The means cannot be justified by the End!! ...hope you understand that Principle. Therefore, You cannot justified the Life of Both (Mother and Child) by Abortion. Abortion is not the right action to save them. So, How can we save them? We kill one and save the other? what is your answer Sei? If you are an unborn Child, do you have a voice to stand up and say, "I have the right to Life?" Could you? Lucky you are now can speak for your own life. Know what, Life is a wonderful gift. I couldn't imagine how God created me. While other are suggesting to destroy it. I don't even know how I was formed like other human beings. Lucky you and me!! Why don't we stand for the Right to Life and save lives.
Sei Bauro said:Bro I agree with you on that saying that we should have a clear fine line of defining abprtion as an act of murder..for in its self it can be life saving to the mum..today latest technonlogy can easily detect early danger signs of conceiving even calaculte the estimated risk..if the risk outweight the benefit Mothers were advised to abort their babies...nice
thats is define as a therapeutic abortion, So yep its complex term and it can be wrong depending on what angle one views it ,,my opinion is abortion is not always a bad thing..
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Permalink Reply by ❦❦❦uǝɹɹǝ❦❦❦ on -
A rangin eti taian maroro i aon te topic aio ao au kantaninga ba e bon nakoira n tatabemanira nako ke..ma te kauring ba tina riai n ataia ba iai taian baai aika a kona n buokira n aron totokoan waki aikanne. N aron te ..iango imain reken te kanganga..ao kabonganakin taian baai aika ana katoka te kanganga anne ba e naki riki.. E raba te maroro i aon aio ao tekeraoi naba te tia uota te maroro aio.
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Permalink Reply by Teeta Kairo on
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Bon te kamauri naba nakoim ten Christiano
Let me enlighten you for a bit okay.
First of all I’m not an Atheist or Religious person. I don’t have any respect for Atheism or Theism (religion) because it’s a waste of time and everybody is just fighting and arguing about whether god is real or fake. I honestly don’t give a dam whose right and whose wrong.
Ok let’s go back to “Is abortion right or wrong?”, obviously we both have different opinions on this topic. I believe everybody should be open minded about Abortion, we should not judge those who choose to have an abortion or those who support it. I also believe murder and abortion are not the same thing, abortion has a lot of thinking involved with it. It can benefit people e.g mothers who are at risk of dying unless they abort the baby, poor people who can’t afford to raise their unborn child. Like I mentioned before in my other replies that if poorer countries in places like Asia, Africa and even the pacific encouraged Abortion. They wouldn’t have any problems with the increasing population and poverty.
If the Christian God was so loving and pro-life then why does he send those who have done wrong to hell to perish for eternity? I thought your Christian God was forgiving and loving to all of his children???
Jesus Christ??? How do we know Jesus Christ ever existed? I’m doing classics and History in High School and there is no mention about Jesus Christ, only Julius Caesar, Homer and other key figures of the ancient times. My teachers told me that the reason why we don’t study the life of Jesus Christ is because there is little evidence to suggest that he ever existed.
Bible.
Lols you said that the bible was written by human hands, well no wonder there’s so much contradiction in it. The Bible talks about how we should live in harmony and not discriminate others but then you have a section of the bible, where it condemns people who are different e.g Homosexuals. Is the bible actually the words from God? Or is it just written and created by human minds and hands?
Tao bon ti anne moa mai irou kee. Hope I haven’t offended you much.
Christiano said:mauri riki ngkoe Teeta
I think you are gone to far without moral principle. I'm not talking only on Regious Truth I also talks on Moral Principle that touches the whole of humanity. You are sound like an Atheist. Yes, now you are not also think about the Moral Principles. What is more important is the "Life" in you. How you meditate that gift of Life in You. Who do you think that gives you that Life. Remember human beings already know the mind and the Heart of God, in the form of his Son as Christian says. I speaks the truth about what God thinks about humanity. If we don't know what God's will then we are in Chaos of darkness. Do you think the Bible fell from the sky? hel no!! It is human hands that wrote that, and they know what God thinks.
Now I advice you, that it is better to "CONSTRUCT LIFE" than "DESTRUCT LIFE." Life is more precious than gold and silver. It is precious than anything you can find in this world. You are blessed because you have life. If you don't like it, well, I think you are in the dark forces of death.
I don't condem those who commit abortion but I rather advice them the best I can. God is the Supreme Judge of Life. Just wait for your turn when God judges you and me.
Blessed be God
Father, Son and the Holy Spirit....Amen
Teeta Kairo said:Mauri Christiano
Life in the womb is different to that of life that we are living in at this moment. I don’t know much about the process of pregnancy but I do believe that taking a life in the womb is different to taking a life in the real world we living in and are aware of. Getting an abortion involves a lot of thinking and decisions and guilt with it, murderers don’t think or make decisions before they kill their victims. So don’t confuse murder with abortion.
Murder is a “Grave sin”, I hate religious people who think they can get away with calling others sinners. Your opinion is that anybody who supports and choose to have abortions are sinners because abortion is murder. Well there is no perfect person out there in the world that doesn’t commit a sin or sins every day, everybody commits a sin!
“Everyone has the right to Life including those who are unborn” I agree with the first bit except the unborn bit. But I also believe that everybody has the right to make any decisions concerning their body and the life they are carrying with them. Nobody is entitled to make others feel that what they have done (which is considered humane and legal) is wrong and that they are bad people. I believe people have every rights to judge and express their opinions but I don’t believe that it is right of them to enforce their opinions e.g abortion is wrong.
I don’t think anybody knows what god thinks of Abortion because nobody can have any direct conversation with him, or know how God’s mind and thinking works. So don’t tell me that God thinks abortion is wrong because you don’t know how God thinks.
God doesn’t decide our destiny or our decisions, we do!
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Permalink Reply by Mr & Mr & Mrs Molu on -
ABORTION...ummmhh i think (my own opinion) it should be illegal and of-course its a sin, VERY BIG SIN...by the way whose choice is it, not totally the choice of the undeveloped unborn being..a girl/women make a choice of fulfilling her sexual desires using nothing for protection (condoms, pills etc) resulting in pregnancy..it will be a total STUPIDITY if one to say that abortion should be legal because it's better off for the baby to died knowing the real world rather than suffering once born.
PLEASE don't say some women were uneducated and that's why they don't use protection..we ALL went through education process from young age, even if you didn't make it to higher level, still you went to school - early age...but more importantly our parent taught us about life and unforbidden sex?? even our religion, YET some people agree to abortion (i'm refering to us Islanders, not the aliens).
Think again before having unprotected sex!! also keep in mind that there are 1000s of parents in the world who can't get childrens and are looking to adopt, i for one have an adopted kid who i'm so proud of & brought happiness to me & my wife's life, & thanks God for that.
THOSE ARE MY VIEWS ON THE TOPIC
Great day every1
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Permalink Reply by Mr & Mr & Mrs Molu on
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by the way are we talking here refering to the PI esp. Kiribati or are we talking here abortion world wide..It will be hard if you are refering to ABORTION GLOBALLY, as our islands beliefs & values are totally diff. for others in the world which make it hard for people to argue to your point.
Thanks
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Permalink Reply by Mr & Mr & Mrs Molu on
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Scientifically thinking yes sis....how about culturally (beliefs & values) & religion, we kind of diserting ourselfs from our roots.
Again i still think its murder, the unborn or undeveloped baby (or whatever you call it) have no decision on his/her making, its the stupid mother who do that thinking, and later decided to murder (abort) the new life in her.
My opinion it is
gud day
Sei Bauro said:Bro I agree with you on that saying that we should have a clear fine line of defining abprtion as an act of murder..for in its self it can be life saving to the mum..today latest technonlogy can easily detect early danger signs of conceiving even calaculte the estimated risk..if the risk outweight the benefit Mothers were advised to abort their babies...nice
thats is define as a therapeutic abortion, So yep its complex term and it can be wrong depending on what angle one views it ,,my opinion is abortion is not always a bad thing..
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